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Nick Farrow



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: A particular Alpine on ebay Reply with quote

I suspect a lot of Alpine owners do what I do and regularly check what Alpines are up for sale on ebay. I started looking just over a year ago before I actually owned one, because obviously I was looking to buy one, although mine was not an ebay car afterall. When I started looking there was a red Series V up for auction. (OK, I apologise in advance if this particular car belongs to a club member, but this is beginning to bug me now.) This red Alpine was advertised with four or five lines of text which told very little except the basics and with 4 or 5 of the worst quality photos you could possibly use, a couple of which were blatantly several years old. The condition of the car, (looking at the pictures) looked OK, but no more than OK. Definitely not a concours contender. Just an average car in other words, with a few rather horrible (but possibly period) accessories bolted on. What's my point you ask? Well, this car was listed with a 'Buy it Now' price of £8000 and a starting bid of £7000! Obviously a little more than it's worth.

OK, so this happens. People over-value their cars and don't do any market research before selling them. They usually learn. So, after 10 days and no bids, the auction ends. Within a few days the car is back up for auction with the same prices! Again, after 10 days there's no bids. After a few days the car is back with the same prices! And on it goes! After a few months of this, the vendor drops their prices a bit and at one point a few months ago, the 'Buy it Now' price ends up around the £5k mark and the starting bid around the £3.5K mark. Surprisingly, someone puts in a bid, but of course the reserve is not met and the car doesn't sell. So, it's re-listed again and the process continues with next to no interest right up until a few days ago.

By now the car has been listed for over a year with no sale and what looks like very little interest. Now, I've just checked ebay today to see what's for sale and this Alpine is now listed with a 'Buy it Now' price of £10,000 and starting bid of £5000!! What on earth is the vendor thinking? I can't remember how much it costs to list a car on ebay, but they must have spent a fortune in the last year. Unless there is something I'm missing, like maybe the Queen owned this car or it's made from solid gold, there's no way in hell it's gonna sell at that price!

This is a bit of a rant I know seeing as the car is nothing to do with me and the sale of it doesn't affect my life in any way, shape or form, but I just wish people would see sense and learn from their mistakes.

OK, rant over! Sorry if I've offended anyone in the process!
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mackem



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The starting price seems to have gone up. I know it's been on ebay at least ten times in the time I was looking for an Alpine. I did enquire a long time ago but got no response.
Whilst looking for an Alpine, I thought that most of the cars were overpriced for the condition and would need the asking price spending on them to make them good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Post subject Reply with quote

Hi.

As Registrar of the club I have been looking at Alpines for sale on Ebay for about 8 years. This one mentioned was first seen:

(Notes from club records)
Seen on Ebay 25/10/07 Car in Birmingham
Seen on ebay 7/08 8/08
Seen on Ebay 9/08
Seen on Ebay 30/4/09 12/5/09 25/5/09 12/6/09

Must be costing him a fortune in fees.

Lets hope any buyer reads this topic before he decides to pay £10000!!

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Nick Farrow



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mackem wrote:
Whilst looking for an Alpine, I thought that most of the cars were overpriced for the condition and would need the asking price spending on them to make them good.


I found exactly the same thing. I looked at 3 Alpines in all and all three were way over-priced for what they were. Two of the three were supposidly restored, but had really just been bodged (one actually sprayed with rattle cans!).

What I've noticed is that the cars that are really good and are worth the larger sums of money, very rarely come up for sale.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was told by the seller of my Alpine (the green one that's been on eBay a few times) that the red £10,000 car is bodged (given the state of my passenger door, a slightly unfair accusation) and really quite tatty - he suggested I popped around to see it in my Alpine. Which I would if the 1£@(@ thing would run properly!

I paid £4250 for mine. It's MOTd, taxed and underneath looks really very good, but the finishing is poor and it developed a horrid misfire when I filled it with fuel, so I need to get it tuned up. I'm sad that I didn't shop around, but when I look at the pictures of the blue one on eBay closely, I think I'd be just as unhappy - and my car has decent wires, sounds nice when it is running properly, etc.

If anyone DOES have a really tidy Alpine for sale for £4K or so I'll happily buy it and sell mine to stand a loss/move the wires over; but I like mine not being a GT and having had a hardtop (it doesn't fit brilliantly well; when I tighten it up it tends to pop out of the boot hinges, but I suspect they need to be aligned properly), and I like the green I have.

Wish more people used this forum though. I've got lots of questions about getting my car to run properly and it seems the traffic is slow Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good news for you RK is it's the clubs National at Warwick in a few weeks ! Not far from you.

The folks with Series V cars will answer every question you could wish to ask and you will see some of the best cars in the club.

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RKAlpineC6



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eeek, I don't want to see the best cars, I'll feel all bad about mine! Even the ashtray doesn't seem to fit right - I can't tell if the bracket goes over the carpet, or under - most pictures suggest it goes under, but the hole in the carpet is too small... and the bracket looks a bit manky to be outside the carpet.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RKAlpineC6 wrote:
Eeek, I don't want to see the best cars, I'll feel all bad about mine! Even the ashtray doesn't seem to fit right - I can't tell if the bracket goes over the carpet, or under - most pictures suggest it goes under, but the hole in the carpet is too small... and the bracket looks a bit manky to be outside the carpet.


I suffer from exactly the same issue. I don't want to see cars that are nicer than mine at the moment either!!

I paid £6000 for my car, which I knew at the time was more than it's worth, but not that much more as it is mostly very good. The body and paintwork are fantastic. I've now had it just over a year and have had virtually no use out of it! Two weeks after buying it, it developed an oil leak on the rear hub. I have now taken the car to two different garages (one a local classic-car sympathetic garage and the other a very well known classic car specialist) and neither could remove the hub to repair it, so I've been stuck with a leaking hub! To make matters worse, my diff is on the way out an needs replacing but I can't do that 'till the hub seal is fixed.

My car also had a worn interior when I bought it, which I started to replace in April. It's taken me this long to strip all the nasty black stuff off the floors etc and I've just started putting it back together only to find the new carpet set is absolute rubbish and won't fit the shape of the transmissoin tunnel!!

All I want to do is drive my car, but it's just got so many little 'issues' that it never seems to happen! I'm getting to the point where I wish I hadn't bought it, which is a real shame as I always wanted an Alpine.

BTW the bracket and ashtray fit under the carpet, with the ashtray poking through the hole. The hole on my new carpet was nowhere near the right size, or in fact in the right place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish my car's body was perfect! Still, I guess £2K would get me a passenger door and a redone, properly finished scuttle, no?

Thanks for telling me where the ashtray goes - I'll leave it in place and ponder cutting the carpet. Surely it should be trimmed somehow, edged?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RKAlpineC6 wrote:
I wish my car's body was perfect! Still, I guess £2K would get me a passenger door and a redone, properly finished scuttle, no?

Thanks for telling me where the ashtray goes - I'll leave it in place and ponder cutting the carpet. Surely it should be trimmed somehow, edged?


I should think £2k will get you the door and scuttle and probably plenty of change too! My car isn't perfect, but compared to the other two cars I saw when 'shopping' for Alpines, it's amazing. They were supposidly restored cars, but were still rusty. My car is ex-US, so that probably explains it's condition.

I would have thought the carpet should be edged around the ashtray or at least cut to the right size! Mine isn't either. In fact, a lot of my new carpet doesn't have proper edging and the fit is absolutely awful! I don't know if all carpet sets are like this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I welcome input on really good restorers in the West Midlands who could redo the scuttle and perhaps, once a suitable door has been found, paint and help get the alignment right then! I might want the bootlid repairing too as it's got a little bit of filler along the rear edge.

At least it sounds like you get to enjoy yours. Until I've rebuilt my 25D4, this is what i get...


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick, I'm about ready to buy a new carpet for my restoration. One of my pet hates is a poor fitting carpet. Where did you get yours from? so I don't go through the hassles of trying to fit something that doesn't fit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately I don't get to enjoy mine at all at the moment, which is really annoying as the weather is so good! I've been rebuilding the interior since April and currently only have half a carpet set installed and no dashboard, so my car is completely un-usable Sad . My MOT also expired in April, so I have to get a new one before I can drive it again and I'm not sure if that's going to be possible with oil leaking from the rear hub. At the moment I feel like all I've got is a very shiny, but useless hunk of metal in my garage which is costing me a fortune to keep. Like you, I'm almost tempted to sell it at a loss to get something else, but I know I could easily be jumping from the frying pan into the fire! I also can't afford to make a loss, so I'm stuck with what I've got. Oh well, I guess there's always next year!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mackem wrote:
Nick, I'm about ready to buy a new carpet for my restoration. One of my pet hates is a poor fitting carpet. Where did you get yours from? so I don't go through the hassles of trying to fit something that doesn't fit.


Mine came from a guy on ebay. Reason I bought it from him is because my carpet needs modifying as my transmission tunnel is a slightly strange shape and he was going to re-edge the passenger footwell carpet for me. Since trying to fit it and finding out that much of it isn't very well shaped, (the worst being the transmission tunnel just in front of the ashtray), I've decided not to get him to re-edge it and (if I keep the carpet) I'll get it re-edged locally.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick Farrow wrote:
Unfortunately I don't get to enjoy mine at all at the moment, which is really annoying as the weather is so good! I've been rebuilding the interior since April and currently only have half a carpet set installed and no dashboard, so my car is completely un-usable Sad . My MOT also expired in April, so I have to get a new one before I can drive it again and I'm not sure if that's going to be possible with oil leaking from the rear hub. At the moment I feel like all I've got is a very shiny, but useless hunk of metal in my garage which is costing me a fortune to keep. Like you, I'm almost tempted to sell it at a loss to get something else, but I know I could easily be jumping from the frying pan into the fire! I also can't afford to make a loss, so I'm stuck with what I've got. Oh well, I guess there's always next year!


My seats are pretty bad - what's the best way of rebuilding them? I assume they're supposed to be padded somewhere, at least!

Thing is, interior is probably not that much work, surely? Unless you're aiming for concourse? I could probably reassemble an interior in a week if I had the parts to hand.

The hub shouldn't be hard to sort, either? If your body is good, I think you should stick with it! Compared to the CXs I used to work on the Alpine is beautifully simple.

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