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Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hello all. I have been putting off doing my sills on my sV for years and now is the time.The only thing is I dont know what i am doing........ I can weld but need info on doing the job, can anyone recommend a book or something ont tinternet? I have looked but can't find any information. Crying or Very sad

Any info. would be very appreciated. Thanks. Ian Laughing

Chris Barker · Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 380 Location: Somerset

There are some fairly useful pictures in the Alpine Guide. These came from Pressed Steel Fisher and are isometric views of various parts and structural assemblies.
I offer three basic suggestions:
1. make sure the body is properly supported in the shape you want it to finish - door gaps especially.
2. carefully remove metal/rust so you get to understand how it all fits and what you need to put back. In addition to the outer sill and the inner vertical sill, there is another heavy-gauge intermediate sill. Unlike the outer one, this goes the full length, so is inside the bottoms of the front and rear wings.
3. do make sure that the rear inner wheel arch and the bits that join it to the sill are restored.

And MIG is by far the easiest way to weld.

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Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi, Chris. Thanks you for the reply,can't seem to find the article in my alpine guide compiled by your self in what looks like 1989,do i need a newer one? I have only just rejoined the club after a number of years and i am waiting for confirmation. Thanks again Very Happy

Ian

Chris Barker · Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 380 Location: Somerset

Yes. I think those pics were aquired later than the first issue and went in with the Issue 2 update in 1993.
Jerome has the updated version, but I don't know if he has just the amendment any more. It was a while back!

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Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi all. Just started my passenger side sill because it's the worse side, It's not the most amount of rust that ever fell out of a sill ,but it favverd it, just abit gutted at the moment, Sad

the previous botch up consists of pop riveted metal a lot of resin and filler.How bad could it get?.... Ah well it's going to be challenging but i intend to photo it all and present it to you all as i go, not because i know what i am doing but because there is not alot of information on this topic. I have a realy good example of a car in need of sills Crying or Very sad

Ian

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dave baldwin · Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 90 Location: Blackburn

Hi Ian, know where your coming from, my outer sill (rotten) was brazed on. Where it couldn't be brazed it was filled!(neither suitable for MOT). I got 1 1/2 carrier bags of rust from 1 side - can you beat this?

Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi Dave, I will pick it up and put it in carrier bag or bags tomorow and let you know. Where did you buy youre sills from? Did you fit them yourself? Cheers Ian Smile

dave baldwin · Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 90 Location: Blackburn

I work in aerospace, so I got some one to copy one I bought on ebay in thicker steel. I only did one side but I think the other side is comming close to being done. May be next spring, if I get a mig plant for xmas! Iused an arc welder before and it was a bit of a pain.

Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi,Dave. Sounds like youve got a good arangement there,respect for doing the welding with arc. Still abit gutted,lifted the car today.I am thinking of doing the lot,stripping it down and making a body roller. ive not got alot of room so it might be the best bet . Ive had my car for 18yrs and never tackled the body work. Me thinks it might be time. I did abit or research on mig welders before i just bought mine.I found the sip weldmate [practical classics best buy]130 turbo was the best for me.I goes as low as 25amp and a big drinks co2 bottle tenner to fill 20 deposit bargain. Cheers Ian. Smile

Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi,All. Just some pictures of my alpine as i said i would.Please remember i am not an experienced in this topic so please if you see something wrong tell me.Not just for me be for any one else, the information on this subject seems to be limited. Cheers. Ian Smile

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Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

Hi,All, Set my door gaps by jacking it up under the middle with axle stands and ramps at the ends then made a trut for the gap (scafolding section)and welded it in place

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My new outer sill offered up, shorter than the original i don't know why yet?

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Then my old sill.

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Looks like ive got some work to do? Cheers Ian Smile

sunbeamsam · Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 19 Location: Farnham, Surrey

Hi ian, its not that your replacement sill too short - it looks like it's been badly repaired in the past. What you are actually missing is the wing bottom. I'm in the midst of doing the same repair myself, would recommend getting the 'lower wing' repair panel. I managed to get a cheap one via

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i think he may have a few more.

Ian Brown · Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 12 Location: Leigh. Lancashire

sunbeamsam wrote:

Hi ian, its not that your replacement sill too short - it looks like it's been badly repaired in the past. What you are actually missing is the wing bottom. I'm in the midst of doing the same repair myself, would recommend getting the 'lower wing' repair panel. I managed to get a cheap one via

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i think he may have a few more.

Hi, Sam thanks alot... let me know how you get on.Cheers Ian. Very Happy

dave baldwin · Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 90 Location: Blackburn

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Dont know if this has worked but if you can see the pic - Icut a piece out of a spare sill to mate with the lower wing. I also had to cut a piece to extend the wheel arch. I think I'v some left, I'll dig it outif you want.